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C-USA/MWC Merger Talks Heating Up

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As we all know, the University of Memphis officially announced today that they will be joining the Big East conference in all sports beginning in the 2013-2014 school year. This news sent shock waves throughout Conference USA, and even into the Mountain West Conference. The two conferences had already agreed to merge for football only, while kicking around the idea of bringing all sports together.

While it may have just been an idea previously, the loss of a 4th school for C-USA, may send these merger talks into overdrive.Currently, the two conferences have a combined 15 members (2013) in all sports, and a 16th (Hawaii) for football. The question now becomes: where do we go from here? If the merger is to go through, further expansion is almost necessary to ensure that everything works out geographically. Here is a full list of the members that will still be a part of the two conference come 2013.

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Conference USA Members 2013 Mountain West Conference Members 2013
East Carolina Air Force
Marshall Colorado St.
Rice Fresno St.
Southern Miss Hawaii (Football Only)
Tulane Nevada
Tulsa New Mexico
UAB UNLV
UTEP Wyoming

Initial "talks" had UTEP moving West to rejoin its old WAC foes, while all other current C-USA members would stay East to form two 8 team leagues, with a 17th football member. However, if UTEP were to move West now, a spot would almost certainly have to be filled on the East.

Temple is the first name that comes to mind. The Owls have had major success as a basketball program over the last number of years, and they have also built their football program up to enjoy some solid seasons over the last few years. Geographically, Temple isn't a perfect fit, but its good enough.

The school was a part of the Big East from 1991-2004, but was shunned in the 2005 expansion because of poor attendance numbers, and a "lack of commitment" to their football program. Many had rumored that Temple would be another addition to the Big East, but as most reports are saying, the Big East has completed its expansion.

So, from there it becomes a matter of want. One would have to assume that Conference USA would love to add Temple to their conference, but would Temple actually want to join C-USA? Here's my opinion: A conference that still had football powers like Houston, UCF, and SMU (if we can call them a power), and basketball powers in Memphis and UCF would likely by an enticing place for Temple. But, without those schools, C-USA just doesn't offer the same appeal.

Temple currently competes in the Alantic-10 in basketball and other sports, and the Mid-American Conference in football. A merged C-USA/MWC would likely be a "better' football conference than the MAC, but the Owls fit right in geographically with the rest of those schools. Also, minus Memphis, UCF, and San Diego St., I don't think there's any question that the A-10 would be a better basketball conference than the C-USA/MWC. All in all, its highly unlikely that Conference USA can lure Temple over.

Moving on. The next possible candidates will likely come from either the Sun Belt or the WAC. In my opinion, either La Tech or Florida International make the most sense. La Tech is probably the better fit geographically, but FIU would allow the conferences to get back into the Florida TV market. While neither of those schools have particularly great basketball programs, they have both experienced some success in football. This past season, both schools finished 8-5, with both losing in a bowl game.

Other potential additions to the conference include Utah St., San Jose St., Florida Atlantic, North Texas, and UTSA. Utah St., who has had some success in both football and basketball, would probably be the most appealing of these candidates, as they would allow the conferences to get back into the Utah television market. However, for any Western school to be added, one would need to be added to the East to ensure the symmetry of the league.

Officials from both the Mountain West Conference and Conference USA will be meeting later this week to discuss the issues at hand. Remember that as of this moment, the merger has only been agreed upon for football. You would think the conferences would move ahead with a full on merger of all sports, but nothing is guaranteed. Many details still need to be ironed out as well. Both these conferences have long term TV deals that need to be worked out, the MWC would need to figure out what to do with the MTN Network, expansion issues will be discussed, as well as the specifics of league.

It's about that time that the leaders of our conferences stop sitting back and "waiting for the dominoes to fall". Its time to be proactive, and do their job by ensuring the longevity of our leagues. Granted, no matter what happens between the MWC and C-USA, we were highly unlikely to keep the schools that have departed. Still though, as the dust begins to settle, we're sitting here with our hands on our heads and our tails between our legs. Enough of that. It's time to move on and move forward into a better future with the institutions that remain.

Here's a look at what the potential merger could look like:

Potential Conference USA/Mountain West Meger
WEST EAST
Air Force East Carolina
Colorado St. Marshall
Fresno St. Rice
Hawaii (Football Only) Southern Miss
Nevada Tulane
New Mexico Tulsa
UNLV UAB
UTEP **Louisiana Tech
Wyoming **Florida International

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I say end the merger talks

MWC should invite UTEP, Tulsa, USM and Rice and stay at 12.

West:
Nevada
UNLV
Fresno St
Hawaii ( Football only)
UNM
UTEP

East:
Colorado St.
Wyoming
Air Force
Tulsa
Rice
USM

With Hawaii being football only we have the options of either having them full members, adding a non football school like Long Beach St to keep us in South Cal, or try to keep SDSU as a non football member.

by WolfpackNev on Feb 8, 2012 12:39 PM MST reply actions  

I find it highly unlikely that

the two conferences would just end merger talks. Britton Banowsky is set on heading over to lead the Big 12, and Thompson is ready to lead the merged conferences. They’ve already agreed to football, and with both conferences already losing a combined 7 or 8 schools, they’re better off with each than without. Also, the breakdown of that east league just doesn’t seem feasible. I mean we’re talking a division stretching nearly 1,500 miles from Laramie to Hattiesburg. I just don’t see it. Of course, it’d be nice to get a hold of USM, as they bring a lot to the table, but in this format I just don’t see it happening.

Also, I think the chances of holding on to SDSU for basketball are pretty much slim to none. I’m not sure that they have their move to the Big West set in stone, but its pretty close. The Big West has already agreed to make any accommodations for them, and SDSU knows that by joining they’ve almost got a guaranteed seat in the NCAA tourney year in and year out.

Our best bet, is to merge and try to add some other schools like FIU, La Tech, and Utah St. It may not be exactly what we want it to be, but it will allow the league to get stronger, while keeping all that it already has. To go and start getting rid of schools like UAB, Marshall, and East Carolina will hurt is in the long run, imo.

by asalom on Feb 8, 2012 12:53 PM MST up reply actions  

True

But atm we have an even 16 team league and imo should not expand past that.

by WolfpackNev on Feb 8, 2012 2:20 PM MST up reply actions  

You're right

And that would mean UTEP stays East. As a UTEP fan, I’d rather see them move West, but first and foremost I’d want to see them in a decent conference, no matter what division they land in. We’ll see what happens.

by asalom on Feb 8, 2012 3:01 PM MST up reply actions  

I would go to 18 teams.

That way we have a perfect 8 game division schedule with no crossovers, until the championship game between the division winners. In basketball, I would prefer we stay at 16. That would account for Hawaii and possibly another football only school in the east.

by jakeprobst on Feb 8, 2012 3:01 PM MST reply actions  

I wonder if it would be possible for

Temple to come over as a football only school. In a way it would suck because I’d prefer we get Temple as basketball also, but I wonder if that’s even a possibility.

by asalom on Feb 8, 2012 3:02 PM MST up reply actions  

It might be, because I think the alliance would be stronger in Football then the MAC.

The only question is would they be willing to leave the MAC which is perfect for them in travel?

If we were able to bring them over it would be a nice addition, even if we can’t bring Basketball.

by jakeprobst on Feb 8, 2012 3:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Another possibilty although highly unlikely, is a 20 team league.

If that were to happen I think the pod format would be the most likely choice.
You would play your whole pod and then 5 teams from the other 3 pods.

West Pod 1
Hawaii
Fresno St.
Nevada
UNLV
UNM

West Pod 2
CSU
Wyoming
Tulsa
UTEP
Air Force

East Pod 1
ECU
Marshall
Temple
FIU
USM

East Pod 2
UAB
Tulane
Rice
La Tech
UNT/UTSA

The BIG problem with this is that many of the rivalries would be disturbed, and honestly the scheduling would be confusing as hell. For that reason, I don’t see us going any higher than 18, unless we go HUGE and go to 24. That would be overkill IMO.

It will be interesting to see what comes of these meetings this week.

by jakeprobst on Feb 8, 2012 3:15 PM MST reply actions  

Another thing we need to account for is Air Force does not want a 9 game conference schedule

They have to have Navy and Army schedule every year and with 9 that only gives them 1 true OOC game a year

by WolfpackNev on Feb 8, 2012 4:35 PM MST reply actions  

yeah I think 18 teams max

That would make 2 9 team divisions, making an 8 game conference schedule. You’d play everyone is your division, with no-crossovers. In a way, that sucks, but even with 16 team, you’d only be playing 1 crossover.

by asalom on Feb 8, 2012 4:56 PM MST up reply actions  

unless they can renegotiate with the BCS

i don’t see a merger likely
currently each conference gets so much money from the BCS
so a merger would means less BCS money per team

i say keep the conference 8-10 teams (yes, new teams will be needed) then the conference “leader/champion” would then play an Alliance championship

CUSA: Marshal, ECU, UAB, USM, Rice, Tulane, Tulsa, +/- UTEP (with candidates for expansions being Temple, FIU, FAU, Louisiana Tech, Army)
MWC: Colorado State, Nevada Las Vegas, Nevada Reno, New Mexico, Wyoming, Fresno, Hawaii, +/- Air Force (candidates UTEP, Idaho, New Mexico State, Utah State, San Jose State)
Texas State, UT San Antonio could provide more texas presence
arkansas state another program to consider

by fracas on Feb 8, 2012 6:53 PM MST reply actions  

It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out

But if I’m not mistaken the BCS isnt the main source of revenue for these schools. It’s television deals. That’s why it’s KINDA make sense to have a coast to coast conference. Also adding schools in big markets would help as well. I honestly think therefore is gonna happen. I don’t see cusa or mwc surviving as a relevant conference without it

by asalom on Feb 8, 2012 7:51 PM MST up reply actions  


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