Conference Expansion; How Messy Can it Get?
TEXAS A&M LEAVES BIG 12
Texas A&M's public desire to the leave the Big 12 is already causing a massive chatter of expansion possibilities, but how far will it really stretch? A departure of Texas A&M from the Big 12 will almost certainly mean a bid from the SEC, and if the SEC is willing to extend a bid to Texas A&M they are likely considering making a move to 14 or 16 teams. Initial talks claimed that a number of ACC schools could potentially be that 14th.
PAC-12 BECOMES PAC-16
Now, new talks are arising of thePAC-12 possibly making a move to 16 teams. Word is that Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State are the four schools that the PAC 12 would seek to admit to help create the PAC-16. A move like this almost certainly destroys the Big 12 completely, and would leave teams like Baylor, Kansas, Kansas St, Missouri, and Iowa St looking for a new home.
SEC MATCHES THE PAC'S MOVE TO 16
Now back to the SEC. With Texas A&M being invited, and Missouri being homeless, Missouri makes a ton of sense for that all important 14th team. But, with the PAC-16 on the verge of being formed, would SEC officials be ready to turn their conference into a full blown superconference? Some names that have been tossed out there are Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Florida St, Maryland, and North Carolina among others. Florida St would certainly make a ton of sense, and Virginia Tech is a very appealing candidate as well.
ACC LOOKS TO REPLENISH
Even if the those two schools aren't the ones that receive invites to the SEC, it would be likely that two ACC schools would be gone in an SEC mega expansion. Would the ACC be happy with 10 schools? Probably not. It hasn't really been discussed much but if the ACC were searching for teams, where would they come from? One would have to think that schools like South Florida, Central Florida, and East Carolina could fit the bill. They are probably the best candidates geographically. Let's just say the Florida schools get the nod, and that's assuming USF is willing to leave the Big East.
KANSAS/KANSAS ST.
Before we go any further, let's step back and think about what would happen to Kansas, and Kansas St. The MWC would be salivating at the chance to pick up those two, but with other conferences expanding to 16, the Big 10 may be ready to do the same. Last time around, Kansas was mentioned as a possible candidate for the Big 10, but nothing ever materialized with that. Now may be a better time though. The addition of the two Kansas schools to the Big 10 would completely open up the flood gates.
BIG 10 JOINS THE PARTY
Look for the Big 10 to go to the Big East to find two more schools. Connecticut, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, and Syracuse would likely be possibilities, but Notre Dame would surely be at the top of the wish list. Notre Dame has been very successful in football independence, and makes a ton of money they split with no one through their NBC tv deal so, they'll probably stay put. That being said, Pittsburgh, and maybe Rutgers could be perfect fits.
THE BIG EAST SCRAMBLES
With the Big East down three schools, but more importantly down to five football schools, they will have to make a move to keep its football life alive. Unfortunately for C-USA, if the Big East is poached from at all, we will likely be the first place they look for a refill. Top basketball power Memphis would probably be the first to go, with East Carolina second in line. Still that leaves the Big East one short. With TCU already aboard, could this be a time to make a move for Houston or SMU? It may be. Since we crossed the line of sanity a long time ago, let's say they invite Houston. With the Dallas market covered with TCU, Houston may be a better move.
THE MWCCUSA Merger
If it comes to this point, C-USA will be fighting to keep its conference breathing. But, let's not forget two things. First, Baylor and Iowa St would still be looking for a home, and second, the MWC is still stuck at 10 teams. This could be the culmination of conference expansion, and may force previous talks of conference merger into reality. If Baylor and Iowa St were to become a part of C-USA, the two ten team leagues would almost have to look to each for support.
Of course, this post is more of a rant, than a real possibility for this new round of conference expansion, but all of these ideas are certainly possibilities. However, we all remember two years ago when everyone thought a situation like this was eminent, and obviously that wasn't the case. The same thing could happen now, with things staying a little more intact than we might think. But, whether it happens this time around, the time after, or the next, the landscape of college athletics certainly seems to be shifting in the mega conference direction. It's really only a matter of time.
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My predictions
SEC adds … A&M, Mizzou, Clemson, Fla St
Pac-12 adds … UT, Tech, OU, Okla St
Those are the easy ones, here’s where it gets muddled IMO
Big-10 stays put for now…it took them forever to expand with Nebraska and I think the only way they even consider going to 16 is if Notre Dame is somehow in the mix. I just think their presidents/ADs are too strong to take extra teams just to water down the conference. Plus they can raid the Big East (SYR, Pitt, Rutgers) at anytime so why overreact.
ACC will be down to 10 so they add USF, UCF to get to 12 and stay afloat. Big thing with the ACC will be the basketball schools reaction which I think carries more weight here. But adding 2 upcoming football programs and getting into the Tampa/Orlando markets isn’t a bad trade.
Big East I think will be absolutely insane—they currently sit at 17 BBall and 9 Fball with TCU coming in…again this is a special scenario because BBall actually does carry weight in this league which leads me to believe they will get KU, K-State and Iowa State to get to 20 in bball, which would be the premiere league in the country and an even 12 in Fball.
Baylor is really on the outs here…under my scenario, they naturally take UCF’s spot in CUSA, but I think the MWC will make a move for Baylor and possibly UH and SMU. That makes 13 in MWC, but do they beg BYU to come back then to get to 14? Who will be the 14th team? UTEP, Tulsa, Rice? Maybe the MWC invites 6 total? Lot of questions here, but again…where Baylor wants to go will be key. Banowsky needs to get the Bears in CUSA for our sake because if they go MWC then we got real problems because I doubt we go with them and the other Texas private schools.
Worst case scenario for UTEP…we crawl back into the WAC, there I said it because no one else wants to… I know it hurts.
I absolutely think Benson and Natalicio will put their bad blood aside because the two will be clinging to life at this point.
Think about it, next year the WAC will have 7 football schools…UTEP, and Rice would be the 8th and 9th teams and maybe UTArlington restarts its football program or UNT finally accepts an invite. This would also create a league games with Texas State and UTSA. NMSU would also be a league game. Oh God please don’t let this happen.
Best Case for MWC
Lands either Kansas, K State, Missouri or Texas Tech. There’s still the chance that SEC shuts the door on Missouri like Big 10 did last year. Baylor uses any weight it has to make it tied to Texas screwing Tech like they did 15 years ago with the creating of the Big 12
The MWC has no shot at Missouri,
and in this scenario, the PAC-16 is formed and Texas Tech is gone west. The Kansas schools could land in the MWC, but I seriously doubt the Big East and the Big 10 would both pass on them. Baylor may choose the MWC, but they fit better in C-USA with all the Texas schools. No matter what, this is absolute guessing as to what may happen. None of this is concrete…word is that the Texas Legislature may block move by Texas and Texas Tech. That might halt everything and leave the Big 12 looking for some pieces.
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I don want to say though,
Thanks for stopping by The Rush and chiming in on the conversation. Much appreciated.
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Baylor doesn't have the political clout they had in the past so...
I don’t think they can ride UT’s coat tails if the horns go Pac-12. Plus the Pac-12 would want Tech over Baylor. I get the feeling UT would also.
Again Baylor is the key for the MWC and CUSA. My gut tells me the MWC goes after Baylor, UH, SMU and Tulsa to get to 14 teams. That’s 4 programs better than us in good TV markets. Even Utah State would probably be a better option than us .
Where does this leave UTEP and CUSA…screwed.
CUSA would probably try to add La Tech and Temple football. That gets them back to 11 in Fball, then possibly add FAU or FIU, yeesh…
At this point, the WAC wouldn’t look so bad…UTEP, Rice, UTSA, Texas State, NMSU,
crap sorry didn't finish....would all be league games plus as long as BYU stays independent...
they have an under the table deal to play WAC schools to fill their schedule.
C-USA is the clear choice for Baylor
With smu, houston, rice, tulsa, n utep in the west division its a perfect fit. The only teams we would lose would be ucf n ecu. With tulane going to the east all we need is one more team. How about louisina tech? We could start developing some rivalries.
by el javi on Sep 6, 2011 3:27 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
MWC is closer to BCS status then the C USA
Most of the MWC schools were part of the failed WAC-16 and we don’t want to start that again so we’ll max out at 12. What MWC wants is the BE to raid the CUSA perfer Houston or SMU to break up the CUSA west and MWC raids UTEP, or who left over in Texas. Or land survivors of the Big 12
closer to bcs?
Not gonna happen! First of all without tcu, byu, utah the mwc is about the same as c-usa. Maybe just a bit better cuz of boise st. Second of all dont you see were slowly moving to 4 super conferences. Pac 16, SEC, Big 10, n whoever survives between acc vs big east.
by el javi on Sep 6, 2011 4:34 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I've got to agree with Javi
The MWC was closer than C-USA, but now they’re are just the WAC with a different name. Once TCU is gone, Boise is the only leg the conference has to stand on. Fresno and Nevada are good programs, but are in no way better than UCF, Houston, ECU, Tulsa, SMU, Southern Miss. Simply not true. The two conferences’ only chance of receiving an AQ bid is by relying on each other and merging.
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It’s an apples v oranges debate if you ask me. The MWC has better top end teams, while C-USA has much better depth. Boise and Nevada are both top level teams that can hang with most schools in the country (those that think Nevada can’t aren’t watching very closely). In C-USA, UCF, ECU, SoMiss, Houston, Tulsa, and SMU aren’t quite to that level, but they can all knock off BCS teams and would be competitive in any conference not named SEC.
Agree they are better at the top
With TCU/AFA and BSU. But, any hope for an Auto bid died when BYU, Utah, and TCU left. At least for the foreseeable future.
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Boise is the only one that's better at the top
After that, I would take UCF or Houston against Nevada any day, and same thing with Southern Miss or ECU against Air Force. TCU is gone after this year so they don’t even count in the argument. Without Boise, the MWC is not tough at all. Decent is a better way of putting it.
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not yet. baylor threatening to sue
by MinerManiax on Sep 7, 2011 1:00 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah,
SEC officially invited, but Baylor’s threatening lawsuit is holding things up.
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Baylor sees the writing on the wall and know their time is almost up...
funny how they will possibly control the fate of realignment on all levels including the MWC and CUSA.

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