Mike 'Price is Right' for UTEP?
The news of UTEP head football coach Mike Price returning for his 9th season, the final year on his contract, has sparked much debate throughout Miner Nation as to if this is the right decision for the university. In fact, even just a couple games into the season, people were already calling for CMP to be fired. But, what is really best for UTEP?
Here are the facts. Mike Price currently ranks 3rd in all time wins at UTEP. Granted, that doesn't exactly say a lot, but it does show where he is in comparison to other UTEP coaches over the last nearly 100 years! And just for the record, we're talking about a total of 24 coaches. Also, with CMP returning for a ninth season, only one coach in UTEP history (Mack Saxon, 13 years) has headed the UTEP football program for a longer period of time.
In the 30 years before Mike Price made his way to El Paso, the UTEP football program had 22 seasons with 3 wins or less. In the 8 years that Mike Price has headed the program the Miners have never finished with less than 4 wins, and 4 wins has only happened twice in those 8 years. That means that 75% of the time, Mike Price's teams are at the very least competing to go to a bowl.
UTEP football has just been more competitive in general under Mike Price. From 1996 to 2003, the Miners were beat by more than 25 points 30 times. That amounted to 32.2% of games. Under CMP, that percentage has dropped to 15.4%, with only 15 being lost such a margin. More than that, of UTEP's 52 losses in the Mike Price era, 32 of them were within two scores. In the 8 years before, only 19 of the 65 losses were that close.
Now, there's obviously the other side to the coin. Even though CMP team's have undoubtedly been more competitive, the Miners have now had six straight losing seasons. Although, one of those seasons was one in which we went to a bowl and finished 6-7.
On top of that, Mike Price teams have been known to start strong, and fade out for the second half of the season. CMP has a .625 winning percentage in games played in the first half of the season, while experiencing only a .306 winning percentage in the second half.
Of course, no one wants to settle for mediocrity. We dream of, and strive for a program that wins 10 games a year, goes to bowl games on a regular basis, and competes for conference championships every year. That's fine and dandy, but we have to realize where we come from as a program first. No program, experiences long term success without being built from the ground up.
Considering where UTEP football was before Mike Price was here, this program is being built from the basement up. I would love to think that a young and enthusiastic coach would come in here and build a program that is among the best in the nation, but what are the chances?
Miner Rusher DFW Miner made a great comment on the last dig, I thought I'd bring it up here. I'm going to pick your argument apart a bit, don't take it personal:
"Ive never thought we needed a big name coach to come here. Give me a young hungry coach any day over our current situation. Sumlin and Fedora are proof you need young guys running the program. There are already reports sumlin might leave, but they are going to make a BCS bowl. He deserves that pay day and UH is better off for it. I dont understand how Stull can not look at our hoops team and know it’s Ok to hire a young guy. Barbee gave us one of the most talented teams in years, a conf champ and tourney birth, he earned his way to move up. I hate Miner fans thinking this is a bad thing."
This one of a few valid points that DFW Miner made in the comment, and it is a common argument/thought amongst Miner fans. But, we need to take a deeper look into what we are truly asking for and expecting.
- Neither Kevin Sumlin nor Larry Fedora inherited a program that was anywhere near the state the UTEP football program was in when Mike Price got here.
-Kevin Sumlin took over a program that was 8-5 the year before, and 10-4 with a Liberty bowl appearance two years before. Art Briles, the coach before Sumlin, left a pretty good foundation at UH, and has now done the same at Baylor.
-Southern Miss has ALWAYS had a good football program, and that has little to do with Larry Fedora. Brett Favre anyone? In fact, USM hasn't had a losing season since 1993.
- UTEP does not have the money to attract guys like Sumlin or Fedora
-Both were assistants at high major programs, likely making at least what Mike Price makes now.
-Kevin Sumlin currently has a contract that pays him $1.13 million a year
-Larry Fedora makes a base salary of $650,000, with incentives to take him to about $900k.
-Mike Price has a base salary of $250,000!
- The last point that I would like to make is that football is a completely different beast than basketball. It is arguably easier to have success in basketball than it is in football.
-The main thing here is that football truly takes a good quantity of quality players, whereas as in basketball 1 or 2 solid players make up a good nucleus to build around.
-With or without Price, we have never been able to bring in loads of talent.
-Price has probably brought in the best talent we've ever seen, sending numerous players on to the NFL
-Programs like Houston have local talent that are highly recruited and stick around to play for UH
-The El Paso area doesn't produce nearly as much D-1 talent, and even when we have it, they all want to leave to play elsewhere.
-Billy Gillispie is the only coach that really "built" anything at all since Don Haskins, and even at that UTEP has never been a terrible basketball program. The Bear built a program here, and most of our coaches since him have had something to build on. The same can't be said for football.
Here's the point of all of this. We as fans need to realize what we have as a program. UTEP football had been terrible for decades before the CMP era. Anyone remember losing to Cal Poly-San Luis Obispo...34-13?? How about getting beat by Boise St. 58-3, Hawaii 66-7, Wyoming 63-12, BYU 65-8, or even BYU's 83-7 massacre of us? How about Ladanian Tomlinson setting the NCAA rushing record against us with 406 yards in a single game?
Mike Price has brought this program up from being the laughing stock of a conference, to competing for a shot at a bowl almost every year. We're still not where we, or CMP, would like to be, but we are working to get there. There is no guarantee that Mike Price, or any other coach, could turn this program into what we want and expect it to be. But, one thing is certain. We only have such high expectations for this program because of the taste of success that Mike Price has given us.
Price's vision for UTEP was to build us up to a respectable program, and leave it in good hands once its time for him to retire. I wouldn't say that he has accomplished that goal, but I would say UTEP football, because of Price, is closer to that than ever before. On top of that, the people in control of what happens at the University of Texas at El Paso want the exact same things that we do, and they will continue to make the decisions necessary to allow us every opportunity to make it to where we want to be.
At this point though, in my opinion, it is best for the university to keep Mike Price around. Not only do we not have the resources to buy out his contract if that was necessary, but considering the good that he has done for this community and university, Mike Price has earned the right to finish out his contract. If you are going to support and be a fan of UTEP, then support and be a fan of UTEP. Realize that we all have the same common goal for our athletics programs, and that we all must do our part to help get it there.
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He gets 1 more year, nothing more.
He’s laid the foundation from 2 wins to competitive losing seasons (lol), and now he can’t do anything with it, time to bring in a young assistant from one of the numerous big schools and lets see what he can do. We know what Price can do, he can field a competitive team but still lose, 6 straight losing seasons is a fact.
Also, this is another reason I cant fucking stand Natalicio, we have the money for top dollar coaches, she just refuses to tap into it. She hires on the cheap. You pay low budget, you’re gonna get a low budget football program. If Price were so damn good and the best we could do, his name surely would be Atleast mentioned in one of the numerous coaching vacancies in CFB.
2012 is the last we should ever see of that bozo Mike Price, an UTEP football will be better for it. Don’t be scared to embrace change just because of the past.
We need to grow as a football program, and UTEP has been stuck in the same toilet for 6 straight years.
by TooLegitToQuit on Dec 2, 2011 3:42 PM MST via mobile reply actions
First let me say
That I agree with you to an extent. You bring up good points about getting what you pay for, that 2012 is probably CMP’s last year regardless of what he does, and that we need to grow as a football program. But,…I don’t think anyone is afraid of change, and I don’t think CMP’s name is brought up for other jobs because he’s 65 years old, and everyone knows he’s at his last stop. Also, as far as the money. UTEP athletics does not have the money. We don’t even have enough money to keep our marketing director around? And you think we can pay for top dollar coaches? I’m sure the money is there somewhere, but it is not Natalicio’s job to go take money from other places around the University in order to get a better football coach. Her job is to do whatever it takes to better the university as a whole, and to make decisions beneficial to the university. Not the football program. I would say that UTEP with all the strides its taken over the last decade with coaches and facilities has done about all it can do on its own. You want the money to hire great coaches and have a great football team, put it in by going to the games. Football is a huge revenue generator for colleges, and unfortunately without our fans filling the stadium, we don’t generate that much needed revenue.
We don't generate that much revenue because Price and his band of cronies have alienated the fan base.
You ABSOLUTELY need bandwagon fans to survive, theyre the ones who will pay top prices for a good product on the field.
Alas, UTEP can’t attract the bandwagon fan with a terrible squad who hasn’t had a winning season in 6 years and overpriced concessions and terrible game atmosphere.
Attending a game is misery, in the stands and on the field.
The only thing UTEP football can afford from the athletic budget is new uniforms and turf. lol
by TooLegitToQuit on Dec 2, 2011 4:51 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
even if we did have the money
for top dollar coaches they wouldn’t come here. period. either you hire a guy who somehow got himself damn near blackballed (like price..or cough…tim floyd) or you roll the dice on trying to get a young energetic guy. that’s who we get. we don’t and won’t get shit else outside of that for a long, long time. if you can’t accept what comes with that it’s always going to be a disappointment…but that’s who we get…sorry mike price is the one who spoiled you into thinking he’s a bad coach. as sad as it might sound to you or anyone else he’s the best coach utep’s ever had.
Yeah, 6 STRAIGHT LOSING SEASONS...
Is the product of a great coach!
by TooLegitToQuit on Dec 3, 2011 9:49 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
yea the history of utep
All-time record 298–473–18 (.389)
so yea, get a grip.
Raise your expectations and stop drinking the kool-aid.
6 straight losing seasons really satisfies you? lol
El Paso needs to be rid of this loser mentality that its ok to fail as long as you try hard and win a few games.
Raise those expectations.
by TooLegitToQuit on Dec 3, 2011 12:17 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
what evidence causes you to raise expectations?
there is none. there never has been. i’m not saying i want utep to be forever mediocre but facts are facts.
you’re acting like we have some sort of built in advantage, some sort of history, some sort of cash to pay these guys…we don’t and we won’t anytime soon. adjust your expectations to that. i’m not saying it can’t happen ever but we’ve got to catch the right coach at the right time, etc etc. our success is a longshot.
Catch a coach at the right time? lol
Yeah, let’s wait around forever while all of the aspiring young assistants get jobs elsewhere.
Price can’t recruit and can’t coach like he used to. He’s done.
by TooLegitToQuit on Dec 3, 2011 4:58 PM MST up reply actions
Also, it sucks that UTEP completely separates itself from notable alumni it seems..
I mean, UTEP has graduated big time money guys/girls and they seem to not be interested in being a booster to the program. Sure, some have given back for the academic side, but UTEP is dying in the athletic department.
by TooLegitToQuit on Dec 2, 2011 4:55 PM MST via mobile reply actions
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I have to laugh every time I read letters about how to improve the football team involves hiring a big-time coach.
I can’t imagine any big time coach going (willfully) to a program with a small recruiting budget, no television contract and sparse fan attendance. How many games do you think Nick Saban would win at UTEP with that kind of support?
Mike Price is (or was before he came to UTEP) a big time coach. He was coach of the year at Washington St. Coached in the Rose Bowl. His star was rising to it’s zenith when he took the Alabama job and he damn near committed career suicide with a blunder that cost him that job before he ever coached one game. Then when no one in the college football world would give the guy a second look UTEP hired him. He’s been a positive addition ever since, and he could have left when the going was good. But he stayed to help the school that helped him when he was down. You can’t buy that loyalty.
And now people want to can him because UTEP keeps losing. Perhaps by opening their wallets and making a contribution to the athletic dept. and going to the games things might change. It’s easy to back a winner. Everybody wants to be a fan when a team is kicking the crap out of everyone they face. But it requires faith and support to back a team that’s struggling.
Yes, it’s frustrating to see UTEP play so awful. And at times this (and many seasons that I’ve watched) I’ve become pissed off at the whole program. But if we (fans, El Pasoans) can throw our support behind them in donations and attendance, maybe the players will feed off that and build momentum. It’s happened before here with Price and Bob Stull back in the late 1980s. Having a big crowd at home sends a message to opponents: we back our team. And it says something to TV networks when they see a big crowd turnout. Those are the teams they want to televise because the fans are behind them and they play hard. Price has had some glory years at UTEP and maybe with the players returning next year UTEP will have a better team.
by chris 87 on Dec 2, 2011 7:06 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
The support isn't there because there's no reason for optimism in the Football program.
And really, how many citizens of El Paso actually have a college degree from UTEP? There’s a ton of alumni still living in El Paso, but El Paso is a very selfish city when it comes to money. From the city itself to the citizens. VERY cheap.
So the alumni aren’t giving back to the athletic programs because they frankly don’t give a shit.
Also, season ticket holders, those numbers GO DOWN every single year, Price and Co. have alienated them so much they cancel their tickets. Like I said, the atmosphere at the Sun Bowl SUCKS. From the concessions all the way to the student section to that piece of shit 1995 big screen.
Price has completely lost the support of El Paso, there’s only a few of his apologists left, here at MinerRush, Stull, and Natalicio. lol
Once you lose the support, it’s TOUGH to get it back, and 6 straight losing seasons isn’t helping.
Price is a has-been. 2013 can’t come soon enough.
by TooLegitToQuit on Dec 2, 2011 8:26 PM MST up reply actions
I would say let him serve out the last year, and then it will be time to look elsewhere.
I like Price, and would prefer to keep him, but bottom line is, we need to do SOMETHING to inject a little life back into the program.
"BCS does not apply to basketball. It's football. You can't tell me Memphis is a mid-major. You can't tell me UTEP, with its history of players, crowd attendance and NCAA Tournament berths, is a mid-major. Same for Gonzaga and St. Mary's - it doesn't apply. These are high-major programs that can play. All we can do is win games and hope others recognize. … We should pass the eye test - if anybody ever watches us." - Tim Floyd
I am from El Paso but have lived in California since the 80's. I attended UTEP in the 70's but have
followed the football and basketball programs at UTEP over the years. I would say that Mike Price has done well to raise UTEP from a perennial laughing-stock to what I would call a level of exquisite mediocrity. The talent level has been consistently better than in prior decades, especially the 70s. Oh, how I remember the 82-6 shellacking by Utah. That said, there were subsequent competitive teams which I never saw. Notably the Rocky Perez teams and the teams in the good teams in the 80s. While Price had two excellent years at the start of his tenure and the subsequent years were disappointments in comparison, the team has at least been competitive through its campaigns including the losses. That much should be acknowledged.
Insofar as the location of UTEP in the far reaches of west Texas as a barrier to recruiting, well -It is What It Is. The location will never change even it becomes the new Silicon Valley; even if it becomes a stopover for a Coast-to-Coast bullet train; even oil is struck. It’s proximity to Juarez, Baghdad on- the Border, also is unavoidable collateral damage to the university’s and the city’s image.
All one can hope is that Dr. Natalicio and Athletic Director Stull recognize the need for excellent marketing and damage control whenever competing schools or the media publicize the area as a cultural wasteland, home to narcoterror and economic malaise.
The naysayers should also understand that the Dr. Natalicio should not raid the school’s meager coffers to buy out his contract. That should come from the booster program or foundation, if one exists, for augmenting the coach’s salary. If they movers and shakers don’t have the wherewithall to pay coach Price to go away, then here he stays…
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by Natomaser on Dec 3, 2011 10:38 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
line-throughs unintended...oops!
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Oops!!! to a Miners game.
That said, Price and Stull both understand that it is the football team that has the only 50,000 seat venue in the region and that selling seats is problem. Playing small schools and especially losing to small schools, and not competing for the C-USA championship are what have driven down ticket sales. It’s the Exquisite Mediocrity that people can do without, sadly. UTEP – like most non-southern, and especially non-SEC schools – does not have the entrenched tradition of turning out tens of thousands for old Alma Mater. Maybe the Civil War is re-fought on Saturdays east of the Mississippi. The chance for Glory in Battle for the vanquished. I think it would benefit the program if someone younger, hungry, and locally based were hired as Head Coach. What about Robert Rodriguez, current linebacker coach. He is from El Paso, played at UTEP, flirted with pro football, but came home to learn the coaching craft. What about Jordan Palmer? He’s out of the game now, as soon will his big bro’ from the looks of the Raiders’ last game.
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