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Wrapping Up a Crazy Day in the C-USA & Mountain West

After a crazy 48 hour span with rumors of a C-USA/MWC merger, Houston leaving, BYU going independent, and whatever else, we now have some answers while other questions remain to be solved.  Here's where everything seems to stand right now:

1.  Houston isn't going to the MWC

Mountain West Commissioner Craig Thompson told CBS Sports Dennis Dodd, who had earlier helped spread the Houston to the MWC story to begin with, that there was no truth to the rumors.

Mountain West Conference commissioner Craig Thompson just told me there is nothing to the Houston speculation.  "I haven't had any communication with Houston," he said.

The Houston to the MWC didn't make sense to begin with.  First off, Thompson and MWC Commissioner Craig Thompson have clearly become allies during this second stage of realignment.  The two met Thursday in Colorado Springs, Co. to discuss joint strategies aimed at increasing TV revenue and increasing their league's opportunity to gain some sort of an AQ bid to the BCS.  On Friday, both leagues sent out near simultaneous press statements indicating a strong friendship and confirming that some sort of consolidation had been discussed.  

Why would Thompson turn around and poach a C-USA team while simultaneously trying to float the idea of a merged title game?  It didn't make sense, and now Thompson's statements to Dodd confirm it.  Houston is staying in the C-USA.

2.  A Merger, in some way shape or form, is still a very real possibility in the future

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Thompson also told Dodd:

' We did speak about, 'What if a group of 22-24 teams were to approach the BCS about an automatic bid vs. the nine, or eight or 10-mmeber Mountain West?' That was on the table. I'd like to label it a 'think session.' " 

Thompson pointed out that this is barely year of 1 of the new four year BCS bowl rotation.  Any chance to the current system couldn't happen until after this cycle ends, but it remains clear, the two conferences are considering some sort of united proposal with the primary goal of achieving one automatic bid to be divide among some combination of their teams.  

The Memphis Commercial Appeal's Dan Wolken wrote last night:

Despite the denials, there are in fact discussions going on that could lead to the formation of a mega-conference between members of C-USA and the MWC. Would it be a true merger? No. There will not be a 22- or 23-team conference (pending BYU's decision about whether to go independent). But could there be a league of 16-to-20 that forms out of all this mess? After discussions over the last two days, I'm convinced it could happen.

We may not hear anything more about this for a while, but we'll have to monitor this possibility as the current BCS deal winds down in the coming years.  Or, as Wolken speculates, we could have some sort of deal put in place well before that.

If an automatic bid is made available, it would be in both conferences interests to agree to whatever kind of merger/merged title game scenario that makes it possible.  All non-AQ schools that have ever qualified for a BCS bowl game have had to go undefeated to do so.  With this, Boise, TCU, or whoever else, for the first time, could qualify for a BCS bid with a regular season loss on their resume.  The allure of the AQ would do wonders for both schools in recruiting, television marketability, and national exposure.  ESPN would have to cover the leagues more than they do now with an AQ play-in game coming at the end of the season.

3.  The Mountain West Just Ain't What it Used to Be

On the surface, it appeared that the MWC was every bit as strong as it was with Utah, when Boise State decided to come into the league.  It's no secret that the MWC's television deal is terrible and that money wasn't exactly rollling in, but we never knew exactly how bad it was until BYU realized they could make more money alone and went solo.  How bad is the MWC TV deal?  BYU was willing to sacrifice their basketball program to the WAC to get out of it.  

The threat of losing BYU forced the MWC into picking up Nevada and Fresno St.  How do those teams help?  They don't bring in television sets.  They don't bring make it more likely for the MWC to ever achieve AQ status.  All they do is dilute the pot of available TV revenues two more ways.  That's it.

Thompsons willingness to unite with the C-USA at making this joint bid for an AQ is an admission that he knows the MWC cannot, in its current state, achieve automatic qualifier status alone.  The league was close, and with Utah and Boise, would have had a legitimate shot.  But now, the events of the last few days show that the MWC's strategy is no longer about achieving AQ status alone because their Commissioner knows its not ever going to happen.

While perusing other sites, particularly MWC message boards who have linked to Miner Rush over the last few days, I can't help but notice that MWC fans are feverishly against uniting with the C-USA in any way, shape, or form.  The most common rhetoric seems to be something to the point of "We've earned AQ status and they've never had a single team qualify."

What these fans don't realize is that the MWC of the future looks a lot like the WAC of yesteryear.  Utah's gone and BYU is desperately trying to escape.  Do Nevada and Fresno St. equal Utah and BYU?  What do you think?  In fact, the new MWC, with Fresno and Nevada,  looks a lot like the WAC the original members of the MWC couldn't wait to get away from.  Conference USA hasn't had a great deal of TV success, obviously, but our league has a better TV deal than the MWC. Why?  Because it's not about winning.  It's about markets.  And, C-USA cities are a lot easier to sell to advertisers than MWC cities are- and that's especially true now that the MWC may be devoid of any presence in Utah.

4.  What Will BYU Do?

I've also read from various sites that this was apparently all some sort of a master plan by BYU to get a better TV deal out of the MWC- primarily a larger share of existing revenue or the ability to have an independent TV deal completely.  I'm not buying that for a second and for obvious reasons.  There is nobody out there that can make the Mountain West more marketable for a better TV deal right now.   The school's just don't exist.

BYU believed that the old WAC, the one with Fresno and Nevada, was secure after the schools agreed to a $5 million dollar buy-out about a week before the rumors of independence broke.  What does that say?  It tells you that just a week ago, Nevada and Fresno never thought it was possible for their schools to get in the MWC.  If they did, no way would Fresno sign the buyout (Nevada reportedly agreed but didn't sign through a "recording error").  Even so, when Nevada and Fresno decided not to honor their agreements to stay, it must have caught BYU off guard. 

The Cougars simply don't have a place for their non-footballs squads to go now.  The WCC offered a home but the WCC plays lots of games on Sundays, an absolute deal breaker for BYU (and one that might have kept them out of the Pac 10 to begin with).  So why hasn't BYU announced they are staying?  Because now they know that if they do, they have to share even more football money with Nevada and Fresno State.  The MWC's moves to weaken the WAC may force BYU to stay in the MWC, for now, but it also made it more of a financial impossibility for them to do so in the long run.

5.  Utah State to the MWC?

Reports are now  indicating that Utah State is trying to get into the MWC.  Is Utah State BYU's replacement?  That remains to be seen, but you cannot replace Brigham Young with Utah State.  While Utah State has an exceptional basketball program, let's not forget that just this season they had an RPI of 30, but couldn't draw an at large bid to the NCAA Tournament after losing their conference title game to NMSU.  The Aggies simply don't have the national cache of a Gonzaga, St. Mary's, or Butler.  If the MWC brings in Utah State, it will only weaken the leagues television appeal and it will cement the fact that the MWC knows they cannot get an AQ bid alone anymore.

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Many thx Alan

Now, at least for a while- we can get back to UTEP football

by Adrian Mac on Aug 21, 2010 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well done AMac...

Nice wrap to a wild & crazy week. Oddly enough, although it would appear that the dust is going to settle at the moment, it just goes to show that this discussion is far from over but rather just beginning.

by MinerMike on Aug 22, 2010 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Personally, I think the Houston to the MWC is an old rumor, and out of order of all the things that came out this week.

I think the MWC went “Who’s next” and they came up with “Houston” or “Houston, UTEP and SMU”, the later would have gutted C-USA. I think there was a counter shot, from C-USA “well, why don’t we add Houston (and Temple if you believe that rumor)”

The MWC had 4 legit BCS programs in Utah, BYU and TCU then Boise St (if you over look the fact that BSU and Utah were not in the MWC at the same time). Losing TCU would in fact make the MWC look like the WAC with just Boise St and a bunch of 2nd tier schools, (assuming BYU does end up as an Indy)

(Side note: No UNLV, New Mexico, Wyoming, et al, being in a conference that has BCS quality teams, does not make you a BCS quality team, or a member of a BCS quality conference)

Which is why instead of the MWC and C-USA going to a death fight like the MWC and WAC just had where it was touch and go who would win, they both decided it better to work together than against.

Having TCU, SMU, Houston, UTEP, and Rice in any one conference or TV deal makes for a semi-legit TV package. Like the Big IIX there just isn’t enough TV’s/population to draw too much national dollars to the MWC with out the State of Texas as an anchor. (San Diego St an Fresno St, does not give them Cali either)

And while the BCS AQ is the nice shiny prize….the real reason for the cooperation is ultimately for a better TV deal.

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by Redhawk on Aug 22, 2010 9:55 AM MDT reply actions  

i said it before and i'll say again

Being a lifelong houstonian and avid follower of houston teams, univ of houston brings nothing to any table other than being competitive on the field. They are the worst fair weather fans ever. They dont show up to any games unless they are winning or the opponent is a marque team. Even when theyre winning they rarely sell out only when the opponent is a big name and thats because the other teams’ fans show up and makes their small 32k stadium look good…

They dont deliver the tv market which is what re-alignment is about. Texas, a & m, tech and even lsu or sec/big 12 teams has had higher rating than them. If there is a study they will know. Thats why texas/big12 doesnt want them. Well, that, another anemic mouth to feed plus it interferes with their recruiting in the area.

Their new stadium has not gotten the proper financing yet and wont for some some years if any. We may not see this stadium for many many years. Plus, their football coach may depart after this successful season. He wont be turning down a great job with millions to go with it. What is going to be left of the football program? A downgrade maybe. Mac roades may be a financial genious but hes a terrible evaluator of talent. Downgraded the basketball (men and women ), baseball and volleyball coaches. My point is he wont get any equal or better coach than sumlin.

Again i ask. What does houston bring to any table? 5k attendance when unlv, new mex, sdsu are in town?

by MinerManiax on Aug 22, 2010 2:48 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

A lot has changed since this post

I don’t see what you mean by

Thompsons willingness to unite with the C-USA at making this joint bid for an AQ is an admission that he knows the MWC cannot, in its current state, achieve automatic qualifier status alone. The league was close, and with Utah and Boise, would have had a legitimate shot. But now, the events of the last few days show that the MWC’s strategy is no longer about achieving AQ status alone because their Commissioner knows its not ever going to happen.

If you would have been following all of our posts before expansionpalooza, you would have known that even without BSU, we were on track to get the BCS Bid. When BSU came in they were actually a slight upgrade from Utah because they had better overall value and they are going to finish very high in the rankings this year. In fact, in their current state – with BYU – they are practically a lock since the ACC isn’t looking too good.

The fact of the matter is that the C-USA Merger is a backup plan if BYU leaves before September 1st. If they don’t, then they don’t need the C-USA because BYU is stuck giving the MWC all their stats for the evaluation period no matter what. If BYU does leave then the whole BCS AQ on ourselves thing is gone and then we add C-USA.

Now, responding to MinerManiax on what Houston brings to the MWC. First they bring good on the field performance, which will help with the next evaluation period (They cannot join and use their stats towards the MWC in this evaluation period). Second, they bring the Houston market. Now I know they can’t deliver it, but this is a key turning point for the MWC TV Deal. Comcast (who owns Versus) is the one who told Thompson that if they could add the Houston market, they would expand the reach of all three MWC channels to All of Texas, the Southern States and the East Coast. I don’t mean put it on local TV, I mean put it on a mid-level tier for Comcast’s services. That would be the big reason on why we would want Houston, because it would majorly help a struggling TV Deal.

Another thing is that Comcast and NBC just had a merger a few months ago. Comcast owns Versus and NBC has wanted a channel nationally on the basic cable package called NBC Sports acting kind of like the Fox Sports channel. The most distinct possiblity of this happening would be Versus changing its name to NBC Sports and letting NBC do the talking from there on out. That would be major for the conference as the TV Deal would jump in value almost immediately.

The next subject, also about the TV Deal, is the fact that the BYU vs. SDSU basketball game this year is going to be televised on over the air CBS. This is a huge step for the conference and we should see 3 to 4 basketball games on CBS in the near future as well. This opens the door to possibly football games on CBS ahead of their SEC game with a noon eastern kickoff for the MWC game. Each week, the marquee game would be on over the air CBS before the SEC game on every week. Granted, it would be a pretty early kickoff, but I think the schools could sacrifice that for the amounts of cash that would come in from that.

So, in the near future the MWC’s TV Deal could be a 4 or 5 million dollar venture per team instead of the 1 or 2 million dollar deal that BYU is complaining about now. On top of that is if we get the BCS AQ. Each BCS Conference currently makes 21.8 million dollars, add that up and you get 130.8 million dollars for the BCS leagues. Split that pot seven ways and you get a rounded average of 18.69 million dollars per conference. With Houston now in the conference, you must split that twelve ways. That gives you an extra 1.56 million dollars from the BCS on top of the new TV deal of 4 or 5 million. That is 5.5 to 6.5 million dollars per team, in our first couple of years as a BCS Conference.

Now, that doesn’t seem like much for a BCS Conference, but keep in mind that we don’t have the credibility that the SEC, Big 12 or Big 10 has in order to get huge TV Deals. But that will come, With the extra money comes the extra resources that help with recruiting and overall making a program better, the better the programs get, the better the competition gets, the better the competition gets, by the time the next TV Deal is up for renewal, we will be a much better conference, able to negotiate for Pac-12 type, more or less, TV Contract.

This is all BYU would be walking away from in possibilities if they went independent in order to make a couple more thousand dollars.

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UNLV is going all the way this year!

by rebelfan1 on Aug 22, 2010 5:01 PM MDT reply actions  

I guess I'm a MWC-AQ skeptic

If AQ status was all but certain, as you seem to indicate, why would BYU leave? Wouldn’t BYU be willing to tough it out until the end of the cycle for the chance to be the banner program in an AQ league? Now, how does adding Nevada and Fresno State bring anything to the AQ chase? How does Utah State help the MWC become an AQ? I’m honestly asking this- I don’t know.

by Adrian Mac on Aug 22, 2010 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ok, I"ll take it as honesty

We really don’t know why BYU would decide to leave before they know if the conference they are leaving is going to become a BCS Conference. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Nevada and Fresno St. don’t really help in the AQ Chase at the moment. Nevada has an average of 52 and Fresno St. has an average 58 for their final BCS Ranking over the past two years. The only team that could really help is Nevada depending on how they do this season. They have a lot of offensive firepower back and if they get to 10 or 11 games, they could be in the Top 25 at the end of the season. Bringing their average significantly as well as the Mountain West’s average. Now Utah State on the other hand hurts AQ status, they finished in the bottom 20 of the NCAA for BCS Rankings in the past two years. This is why it would make more sense for BYU to leave after September 1st and then we add Utah State as their replacement after September 1st – BYU gets what they want by going independent, We get what we want by getting our AQ Status and keeping the Utah TV Infrastructure.

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UNLV is going all the way this year!

by rebelfan1 on Aug 23, 2010 8:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hate to pile on....

Can’t say I’m with you on this. There sure is a lot of assumption made in your argument. I’m with AMac on this, I don’t believe BYU or MWC would be going to such lengths if their was such confidence in obtaining “AQ status”. Even with BSU now in the mix, there are too many intangibles that don’t bode well. Nevada and FSU don’t add that “missing piece”. Unfortunately, I believe MWC and/or all other non-AQ conferences will have to make some big moves.

by MinerMike on Aug 23, 2010 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

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